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bryanjr11 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
TYPE IN - Core King-Bryan Clemons. Those one are, one leg bottle push ups are insane!!!!
Dennis Delfino (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Can anybody tell me where to look for ideas like Campenalla's "City Of The Sun". The city as cosmogram, as a tool to reconnect the citizens with the universal forces around them is close to Aveni's archeoastronomy and Tibetan town of Sam-ye. The Buddhist stupa and mandala are attempts in this direction on a miniature scale. Yate's book, The Art Of Memory, makes me think there was a time when untility took second place to health in home and city planning.
detroitMC313 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Looks like that one father from Rug Rats. I forgot who's dad it was... I think Phill and Lill's. lol.
tyler durden (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Thaught..
tyler durden (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Phucking aweful is what I thsught..
UniversalPotentate (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@zerofence@paHsiaWonderful discussion. I think it demonstrates the difference between Atheists and Agnostics. It's a difference which is not currently described but in coming years, I think will show itself more. Btw, The Moral Landscape by Sam Harris is an EXCEPTIONAL book.As far as how Art affects healing, I think The Placebo Effect and understanding what triggers psychosomatic healing is the key issue to this RSA discussion.
PaHsia (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Although I still disagree with your stance, thank you for a civilised discussion. I apologise for accusing you of trolling, and I'll look into the book you suggested..May I suggest you join a local interfaith group? You might get some insight into why people believe what they do, and meet some people who use religion as a positive force in their lives and communities.If nothing else, atheists/humanists are woefully under-represented at those things.
PaHsia (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
You made a statement that put religious people on par with holocaust deniers. If it wasn't trolling it was a very poorly thought out assertion.Ethics/morality cannot be tested because - unlike (e.g.) gravity - there's no universal truth underpinning them. They can be criticised for failing to support widely agreed-upon human rights, but not validated as a statement about reality. Ultimately, they're *opinions* about the acceptability of a certain behaviour.
PaHsia (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"we should respect everyone's right to believe what they want" - correct, top marks."I can give conditional respect to religious people because they are mostly victims of indoctrination" - wrong..It is none of your business what someone's personal beliefs are, nor how they came by them. If you decide whether someone's worthy of respect based on their beliefs, you become a bigot.Actions, not thoughts or beliefs or dreams, are the measure of a man (or woman).
PaHsia (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Now I can't tell if you're trolling or not.Flat/hollow/new Earthers, Intelligent Designers, holocaust denial, etc. deny or distort the known facts. Religion's purview is the unknown and unknowable.Post-mortem survival, the existence of the soul, ethics and morality, and the nature of deity - once these things can be empirically tested, then and *only* then can we criticise religion for making claims about the known world. |
